The Beatles Mono vs. Stereo, Part 2

posted by Rob on July 26, 2009 at 11:30 pm | Comments (24)

In April, I wrote a blog entry titled The Beatles Mono vs. Stereo (Remastered CDs Coming Sept. 2009). In it, I discussed the upcoming Beatles remastered CD boxed sets and my preference for the stereo versions of their albums. I also created and posted several mono vs. stereo audio clips, so you could hear the difference.

That post has been very popular, so as a follow-up – and as a reminder that the new sets are less than seven weeks away – I’ve created more mono/stereo comparison clips and posted them below. After putting these samples together, I still believe that the stereo mixes are superior to the mono mixes. Listen for yourself and let me know which mixes you prefer (listen to these clips in headphones for a more dramatic effect):

“I Call Your Name” 1964, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“If I Fell” 1964, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“I’m Looking Through You” 1965, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“I’m Happy Just to Dance with You” 1964, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“In My Life” 1965, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“I Should Have Known Better” 1964, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“Long Tall Sally” 1964, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“No Reply” 1964, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)” 1965, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“Please Please Me” 1963, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“Rock and Roll Music” 1964, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“Run for Your Life” 1965, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“Think for Yourself” 1965, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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“Twist and Shout” 1963, short stereo/mono comparison clip:

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If you’re planning on buying only one of the boxed sets and aren’t sure which one, I hope my audio clips in this post and my previous one help you decide. Keep in mind, these clips aren’t comparing the remastered versions of the songs that are coming out in September. I obviously don’t have access to those yet (I wish I did!), but I assume their sound quality will be even better. For now though, at least you can hear the difference between the mono and stereo mixes.

While I’m on the subject of the remasters, I pre-ordered both boxed sets on Amazon about a week ago. They set me back $448. Ouch! At least if the price goes down between now and September 9, I’ll pay the lower price, though I doubt that’ll happen.

For the price I’m paying, I really hope the sets are worth it in terms of mastering quality. The first thing I’ll do when I receive them is rip a few of the songs to my computer and analyze the waveforms. If there are any signs of the loundess war (brickwall limiting, hard-clipping, or severe dynamic range compression), I’m returning them. I’ll post my impressions and waveform analyses as soon as the CDs arrive in September.

In the meantime, which boxed set are you going to buy, mono, stereo, or both?

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24 Comments

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  By David, July 27, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

  Hi,

  Thank you for sharing these. I’ll give a listen and post back. Like most people considering this box set, I grew up with the 1987 CD stereo releases, and they will probably always sound “right” to me.

  More than anything I wish they would remix those stereo versions, since the ability to pan the instrumentation and provide clarity has grown by leaps and bounds since the 1960s. See the 1999 Yellow Submarine remix/remaster for a glorious example of this. All sorts of detail has been restored to the mixes with that effort.

  To your point about loudness: One of the initial PR releases revealed that the mono mixes have no volume limiting, but it will be applied to the stereo versions. I believe the term they used was “judiciously”, meaning that they are trying to balance the CDs so that the individual tracks are proportional in volume to each other.

  I’ll speculate that at worst, they will sound like the “1″ remasters. At best, it might sound as good as Love or the 1999 Yellow Submarine remix/remaster. Cheers!

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  By Rob, July 27, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

  Hi David, stereo remixes – or even 5.1 remixes – could be great! Unfortunately, I doubt we’ll ever see the entire Beatles catalog remixed because of the enormous scope of the project. The engineers involved would have to sift through hundreds of hours of tape to find the original, unreduced multitrack recordings for each song. That’s what was done for the songs on Yellow Submarine Songtrack.

  Though now that I think about it, I remember reading that George and Giles Martin transferred the Beatles multitrack recordings to digital during the Love project. Is that true? If so, to what extent?

  (If that actually is true, then creating new mixes would be much easier because most of the pre-production work is done.)

  You’re right though, the original stereo mixes (and the slightly tweaked 1987 mixes) will probably always be my favorites. I do like some of the remixes on Yellow Submarine Songtrack, but some of them fail to capture the spark and unique sound that made the original versions so special. For example, I think “Eleanor Rigby” sounds very good, but “All You Need Is Love” sounds dull and lifeless and all of the instruments are drenched in reverb. “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds” sounds lifeless too, even though the instruments in the remix sound much clearer than in the original Sgt. Pepper’s mix. The “Nowhere Man” remix also sounds lifeless.

  In addition to the several dull remixes, hard limiting was applied to the entire album. It’s not as severe as many recent CDs, but still more than it should’ve been. A few decibels of dynamic range were chopped off, which really makes a difference in sound quality.

  I have the same mixed feelings about Let It Be…Naked. Some of the remixes sound great, while others don’t capture the spark of the original versions. There’s more to mixing music than just sonic clarity. To me, mixing is an art form and a great mix captures a mood and feeling.

  Regarding the Love remixes, I don’t consider them to be part of the main Beatles catalog. To me, they’re just some nice, fun experiments, but I don’t take them seriously…well, most of them. The “Revolution” stereo remix is actually very good and I truly appreciate being able to hear the second half of “I Am the Walrus” in stereo for the first time ever.

  Thanks for letting me know about the mastering/limiting info for the upcoming boxed sets. I understand that compression and limiting will be applied to the music in the mastering stage. That’s normal. What I’m afraid of is the over-compression and over-limiting that has been getting progressively worse in pop music since 1996. Your info has put my mind at ease a bit, but I think the 1 CD actually sounds a bit worse than the original 1987 CDs. For example, the version of “Come Together” on Abbey Road sounds warmer and more dynamic than the remastered version on 1.

  I think the mastering on Love is pretty good – not great – so if these new boxed sets are mastered even more sensitively than Love and contain a few more decibels of dynamic range, I should be happy. :) Actually, if they’re mastered as nicely as the Anthology CDs, that would be excellent.

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  By Mike Sorge, July 28, 2009 @ 1:02 am

  Hey, Rob!… Thanks a LOT for the opportunity to compare between the mono and stereo versions (without having to download both)!

  Here’s my 2 cents:
  First of all, I’ve been a studio recording technician for a number of years now, and with that has come a lot of experience with audio (in general), frequencies, EQs, etc.

  If your soundclips here are any indication (whether in a small or big way) of what the new remastered albums might be like, I’d say (overall) people might just be better off with the stereo versions rather than the mono…

  Here are a few factors (for each side of the coin) to think about, and some examples from the above soundclips:
  – obviously, the mono set has more of a “vintage” classicness to it because it’s in mono and the discs will be in LP sleeves, etc. … not to mention that the mono set will probably be harder to acquire over time.
  – although the mono versions seem to sometimes have a more “full” sound (and deeper-sounding low-end), they also seem to suffer from sounding a little muffled for some songs, due to all of the frequencies being in the center – “Think for Yourself” is a good example of this.
  – sometimes the stereo versions’ seperation sounds a little TOO disjointed, whereas the mono ones seem to be tighter – “Twist and Shout”, for example, sounds FAR more tighter in mono!
  – a few of the older songs actually sound better redone in stereo because the mono versions almost have a low-fi “radio show” sound to them (whether or not they were meant to be like that originally) – “Please Please Me” and “Rock and Roll Music” both sound like semi-poor broadcasts in mono, whereas the stereo versions give the songs brand new life!

  Although I’m an audiophile and a lover of the “classic” ways (even though I’m only 26), I hate to say that the stereo mixes will most likely outlast mono in terms of future technology advancements in stereo/surround systems, etc. as well because the mono versions will sound more and more aged, whereas the stereo ones will last.

  Thanks a lot, and I hope I’ve added something to this blog! :-)

  Fellow Beatles fan for life,
  Mike Sorge

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  By Mike Sorge, July 28, 2009 @ 1:21 am

  P.S. – I forgot to mention…

  In the end, the deciding factors between choosing mainly comes down to:
  1.) if you want something more “vintage” or more “modern” feeling.
  2.) if you want tightness/fullness (within a smaller spectrum) or seperation/fullness (within a wide spectrum).
  3.) whether you care or not that the mono set doesn’t include three of the later albums.
  4.) whether you care or not that the mono set is a limited edition, and will become a little harder to find in the future.
  5.) whether you care or not that you can pan to the left or right to hear different individual instruments clearer with the stereo versions (like in the older releases). (This can be great if you’re a musician who’s trying to make it easier to learn The Beatles’ music, or if you just want to, LOL!) [NOTE: This may not apply to these new remasters.]

  Thanks again!
  Mike Sorge

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  By theapplescruff, July 28, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

  Another interesting article:
  http://en.allexperts.com/q/Beatles-386/Mono-Stereo-difference.htm
  Sounds like Stereo is the way to go.

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  By AS, July 30, 2009 @ 1:40 am

  So, if I had to get one and I am in doubt, which one should I get? Can we have a vote?

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  By Rob, July 31, 2009 @ 11:36 am

  AS, that’s a tough question. If I could only buy one set, I guess I’d go for the stereo. However, I already have all of the original Beatles CDs and both Capitol boxed sets, so there’d be a lot of redundancy. Now that I think about it, I’d probably get more value out of the mono set. I’d finally get to hear the entire White Album in mono, which I’ve never heard before.

  Another thing to consider is the rumor that the mono boxed set will be “rarer” than the stereo boxed set. I don’t know if this is true…and if it is, I don’t know to what extent.

  Really though, the only way I’ll be satisfied is buying both boxed sets. Spending $448 on something I pretty much already own must seem really stupid to most people – part of me thinks it’s really stupid too, and I’m a huge Beatles fan – but I’m careful with my spending and don’t often splurge…and, again, it’s the only way I’ll be satisfied.

  So AS, as you can see, I’m just as torn as you are! :)

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  By Elaine, August 1, 2009 @ 12:23 am

  I too have wavered back and forth. Mono or stereo? To buy or not to buy? (I already own the original releases). In the end, I pre-ordered the Mono box but now having these comparisons makes me think I need the stereo box too. I sure hope it rains money before 9-9-09!

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  By Lee, August 1, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

  What would you all recommend if you don’t have an expensive sound system? All we have are a Bose radio system and our computer. I would think mono would be the way to go for someone like myself that probably won’t be listening to them on a hi-end stereo. I will probably download them into my I-pod though. In addition, I grew up listening to them from the 60s (luckily my sisters were much older than me). Even after 20 years of listening to the stereo CDs they have never sounded “right” to me. Thanks for posting the clips for comparison, but I am even more confused because some clips sound better in mono and others in stereo. I have pre-ordered both on Amazon just to keep a place in line and ordered Abbey Road in stereo as a backup to the mono set until I decide. You will be happy to note the price has come down just a little bit and is covered by their lowest price guarantee. Luckily I am going to see Paul McCartney in concert tonight and I am pretty sure that will be in stereo :) Thanks for your help!

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  By eric a, August 1, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

  If you’ll look at some of the discussions going on at amazon.com, you’ll find that EMI is now saying the mono box will be limited, but not numbered, and who knows how many they will press or how long it will be available. In this economy, and given the state of EMI’s corporate balance sheet, my guess is that they’ll be available for a long time, and they’ll try to squeeze every penny out of their customers before taking it out of print.

  The mono mixes intrigue me, but I doubt I would listen to them that often, particularly the later albums which contain audio effects that depend on stereo to work. I think that’s even true of Sgt. Pepper, though I have heard so many claim that the mono mixes are better because they spent so much time doing them compared to the stereo mixes.

  In short, I’ll wait for very big discount pricing or pick up a used copy. I do not think the mono boxes are going to be hard to find, at least not for a long while.

  I’m going to nibble at individual albums from the stereo releases, beginning with Abbey Road, which I think fared the worst on the previous CD release. I don’t know what it is about that album, but it just seems dull and lifeless on CD. The sound has an artificial or plastic quality to it. Of course, my reference is the Mobile Fidelity vinyl. Hearing what the remixers did on Let It Be… Naked and Love gives me only qualified optimism for how these new remasters are going to sound.

  Actually, I’m not buying any remasters until I hear reviews from trusted sources. I’ll be anxious to hear what vinyl maven Michael Fremer has to say about them in Stereophile or on his Music Angle website.

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  By Rob, August 2, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

  Lee, you’re right, I just checked Amazon and the total price for both boxed sets has gone down $20. It’s better than nothing!

  I hope you enjoyed the McCartney concert!

  Eric, I’m interested in reading reviews, too. I’ll post my review as soon as I receive the boxed sets (I’m using Amazon’s free shipping), including 1987 vs. 2009 audio comparison clips. I’m really looking forward to both sets and I hope the sound quality is as good as EMI claims.

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  By Lee, August 2, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

  The McCartney concert was awesome. He played about 2 hours + 40 minutes and 35 songs! The sound was amazing. He played Michelle, which he said he never plays live anymore, just for the Obamas. He usually puts out a live CD after each tour and I would recommend picking it up if he does. I have seen him about 5 times over a 20 year period and he played Day in the Life which I have never heard him play live before.

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  By Sandy, August 4, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

  After reading Rob’s blogs on the Beatles mono v. stereo debate and listening to all the clips through headphones (thanks for all those!), I was inspired to play some of my original vinyl Capitol “full dimensional stereo” LPs purchased over 40 years ago. I played them loud, over a decent but not great stereo system, the way they were played by most everyone back then.

  They sounded wonderful and totally capture the spirit of the music as it was when it was brand new, fun, and an integral part of our everyday lives. “Not A Second Time” from Meet The Beatles still made me cry…

  For most of us, the whole stereo v. mono thing only became an issue once people started getting stoned and listening to music through headphones for the first time. That’s when it became thrilling to just sit alone and get lost in all the layers of their music, which technology was now able to capture and distribute to the masses. Very trippy!

  So, I’ve decided to buy both the mono and the stereo sets, having never upgraded to CDs of any kind from my original vinyl LPs. From what I can tell in the clips, they each have enough merits to warrant purchasing both, especially once you add in the artwork and extra goodies. As for the cost, if I spread it out over a lifetime, it’s pretty damn reasonable – especially considering the absolute joy they will bring. Think about how much you spend to go out of town for the weekend – a lot more than $450…

  P.S. I highly recommend reading Philip Norman’s “John Lennon: The Life”, published last year.

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  By Nick P, August 5, 2009 @ 4:07 am

  Suggestion that I may be panned for:
  1. Buy the new stereo mixes (or keep your old ‘87 ones, it’s up to you).
  2. Rip them as WAV or FLAC or any type of lossless file.
  3. Use Audacity or some kind of mixer to merge both audio channels together for each song.
  4. Save the newly made mono mixes to lossless formats.
  5. Burn them to CD
  6. Enjoy/debate

  I have the original Sgt. Pepper mono mix on vinyl, and I can see where certain aspects of the mix become noticeable in comparison to the stereo mix (comparing 1967 mono to 1987 stereo here). I personally cannot make up my mind about which mix is more beneficiary. When listening to the albums on a nice set of speakers, it really doesn’t matter if the mix is in stereo or mono as long as the bass and treble balance and it sounds good at any volume. Listening with headphones is something different for me; I find mono to be dull this way. It’s boring to have all signals concentrated to both sides at the same time, and it’s too distracting for me. I usually listen to music with headphones, so it’s pretty safe to say that my choice here would be the stereo mix set. I feel that the mono mix I have of Sgt. Pepper sounds better than its CD counterpart, but only because of analog’s superiority, and it is still not the case for headphones. I understand that the mono mixes may have better balance and even have some nuances that the stereo mixes may not (and vice versa; listen to the Good Morning Good Morning/Sgt. Pepper Reprise intro embedded above to hear what I mean), but I’d rather go with what sounds better both ways.

  As for the above suggestion, make what you will of it and try it; I’ve folded down mixes just for fun before and they sounded fine to me. =)

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  By Rob, August 5, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

  Hi Nick,

  Normally, you’d be right: convert the stereo songs to mono and save money by not buying the mono boxed set. The problem is that back in the 1960s, the mono mixes were different – sometimes very different – than the stereo mixes. For example, the mono mixes of “Baby You’re a Rich Man” and “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds” feature different electronic effects than the stereo versions. The mono mix of “I’m Only Sleeping” features backwards electric guitar in different places than the stereo version. The mono mix of “Yellow Submarine” features an acoustic guitar strum on the very first note of the song, which isn’t present in the stereo mix. The mono mix of “If I Fell” features a single-tracked vocal by John Lennon, but the stereo version is double-tracked.

  Not only that, but the volume of the instruments and vocals was balanced differently in the mono and stereo mixes.

  Of course, I realize that most people would read this and say, “Yeah, so what?” The relatively minor variations between the mono and stereo mixes aren’t worth $228 to most people, but I’m a die-hard Beatles musicologist and enjoy studying every recording closely. Besides, I don’t hang out at bars and buy alcohol, I don’t go to casinos and gamble, I don’t own an HDTV, I don’t buy new shoes every three months, and I don’t buy cigarettes. Instead, I buy Beatles boxed sets. :)

  Sandy, you’re right, $428 (give or take) spread out over a lifetime ends up being a ton of enjoyment for very little money. In fact, if I average out the amount of money my family and I have spent on Beatles CDs from 1987 until the end of 2009, it equals roughly $4 a month, every month, for the last 22 years. That’s not so bad.

  And Nick, I agree that listening to the stereo mixes in headphones is more interesting and stimulating than listening to the mono mixes, but I think once I get the boxed sets, I’ll listen to both versions equally until I figure out which version of each song I prefer.

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  By Elaine, August 9, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

  Oh Rob…..I really thought I would be content w/the mono box I pre-ordered last month but after several visits to this site and multiple listenings, I now know that I will be shelling out the extra dollars for the stereo box too. I originally thought I would just order a few of the individual cd’s in stereo but….it’s clear I will prefer some in mono, some in stereo and I’ll need both boxes to determine my preferences. ( I think I can live off of beans and tap water for awhile). It is the Beatles, after all.

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  By Jonathan, August 11, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

  I pre-ordered all of the individual remasters back in early May as soon as Amazon made them available – I couldn’t wait to hear them! I have since read all of the discussion about the mono vs. stereo boxed sets, and today I decided to cancel my individual CD order and pre-order both boxed sets…and all guilt free! After all… it is the BEATLES. I used my AAA card to get a 25% discount on Barnes and Noble for the mono box, and I had saved up three Amazon $25 vouchers for the stereo box. It is like appreciating fine wine that has been aged 40 years…I’m looking forward to many fine evenings of listening pleasure in mono and stereo!

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  By Laurent, August 17, 2009 @ 8:05 am

  Hi,

  if i were you, i’ll try not to be overconfident about the loudness war. Quote from this article ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/08/beatles-back-catalogue-remastered-reissued ) : “On the bright side, Howlett remarked, “they sound louder than previous CD reissues.” Well worth the wait.”

  Anyway, the two posts are very instructive, thanks !

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  By CW, August 17, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

  Rob,

  Just found this 2nd part over the weekend, thanks for expanding what you’ve previously offered.

  I’ve pre-ordered the Mono set from Amazon and may potentially buy the individual stereo Abbey Road and Let It Be, depending on how the new remasters stand up against the ’87 versions of those same records.

  The Stereo/Mono debate was something I didn’t even know existed until the mid 90s but unfortunately I see the embers glowing on this for years to come. The bottom line for me is I can appreciate both and it really depends on whether I’m listening to the music through loudspeakers or headphones as to which I prefer.

  I don’t tend to care for hard-panning through headphones so, to my own admission, I avoid this whenever possible. It doesn’t bother me to hear those same songs through loudspeakers, however, because it provides for a more separated soundstage and doesn’t overwhelm my ears. In fact, sometimes this difference alone is enough to make certain songs in stereo my first choice. I like that its not so cut and dry that all songs must be listened through one medium or another.

  I appreciate nostalgia and the feeling I get when listening to versions that resemble the records my Dad raised me on in the 70s, but I try to focus more on what actually sounds better. In other words, I don’t dismiss Anthology, Love, or Let It Be… Naked simply because they aren’t part of the official canon. Love is pure audible bliss in and of itself, and it leaves me anticipating what more can be done (in due time) with earlier works.

  If those of you that may be on the fence have never heard the White Album in true mono, some might say its worth the price of admission alone. The cost-conscious side of me might disagree but I will say the mix is truly spectacular and (in my opinion) brings new life to this collection. Add that to the fact that Mono Masters will be available as well, decision made: Mono set

  This is more applicable for those like me who cannot afford both sets. Besides, the stereo remasters are available individually and can be purchased over time (easier on budget) if they prove to be significantly better than the ’87 versions.

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  By Rev. John C. Link, August 22, 2009 @ 8:32 am

  Greetings & Blessings! I Hate to be the bearer of bad news, & I agree with your take on the loudness wars & sound clipping that this IS bad news…The Stereo Box WILL have clipping, although they claim it’ll only be minor. How & why they chose this is just beyond me!! The mono box won’t & yes, I’ll be buying both- along with the “Box Of Vision”
  Here’s the interview, on Amazon, about the engineering info that has the clipping admission. Blessings!!

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  By Rev. John C. Link, August 22, 2009 @ 9:01 am

  Greetings & Blessings…again…I forgot to post the link to that interview on Amazon.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/entity/store/B000APTK6K/ref=amb_link_84824911_3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=auto-sparkle&pf_rd_r=0M255XF9BPH7MGAYA3VR&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=484404071&pf_rd_i=beatles%20remastered%20box%20set

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  By Jacob Windstein, December 7, 2009 @ 3:29 am

  Hi there I bought the stereo albums individually and the mono box set. I’m a completist, what can I say? Well I know what I can say…..Stereo is way better than mono. I could only pick 2-3 songs per album that are better in mono except for the first four albums which were intended for mono. Stereo rules after beatles for sale except rubber soul. I know that might seem a little hapharzard and that’s because there’s good and bad in both and I have playlists that actually mix mono and stereo to my ideal tastes. Either way stereo wins 99% of the time.

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